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Jon Ronson: Shame Culture, Festival of Dangerous Ideas 2015

Jon Ronson: Shame Culture, Festival of Dangerous Ideas 2015


51 thoughts on “Jon Ronson: Shame Culture, Festival of Dangerous Ideas 2015”

  1. I found myself vigorously nodding my head in agreement throughout Mr. Ronson’s presentation and the discussion afterward. A colleague once told me that he would never want to be judged on his worst day. And we all have bad days. We’re only human.

  2. Sorry Justine, but….welcome to the information age. Brought to you by THE WORST. GENERATION. EVER. You all are the generation that is making sure that the dystopian future of Orwell's 1984 is fulfilled. Anyone with half a brain "got" the ironic joke of Justine's tweet. But half-a-brain does not describe the zeitgeist that we are all apart of in this day and age. Here's a tip for you all: DELETE your facebook account. STOP USING TWITTER….and all other forms of social media. Why on earth would any private citizen use any of these sites?!? Any mistake, faux pas, or ill-advised picture,video, or written statement will be preserved in perpetuity I vote that all of you narcissist's get a clue! Again…….Sorry Justine.

  3. I just can't see the appeal of it. There's no dignity in using something called "twitter" or in the act of "tweeting". I can't even bring myself to type it with a capital letter.
    And what's this new retarded thing I just heard about where it is specifically designed for people to publicly bash others? You only get three days to delete it before it's there forever. Who would use such a thing? What the hell is going on these days?

  4. Watching this made me remember the Mel Craig joke that ruined her career moreso than the other fellow. I watched the event unfold on a facebook string at the time. With the inability to read ALL that was being said I found my self scrolling the comments and classifying them as basic good or bad simples, and then ignoring them as not relevant.
    About 10% were interesting in another way: thought provoking.

  5. So what's Ronson's point, ultimately? Thoughtless people can thoughtlessly blurt out instant publications to a potentially global audience and we should…. give them our sympathy because their unwise and/or tasteless remarks can occasionally pick up a bit more flack than Ronson thinks they deserve? As social injustices go this is not high on my list. And were these really the worst examples he could find? It is sad that guy killed himself but, come on, people kill themselves in the thousands everyday, for all sorts of unfortunate reasons…. Is 'shame culture' really to blame? And with regards the other examples, I think the original tweeters did kinda sound like dicks and if I'd tweeted those remarks I'd expect some sort of negative repercussion. So…. What's Ronson's point?

  6. Public shaming is a covert power trip. People feel powerful while attacking someone on line behind a safety of a keyboard and comfort of their home.

  7. Public shaming is an Ad Hominem attack, people don't know difference between attacking a person and attacking their actions and statements. We are not our actions.

  8. This is the same phenomenon that created the saying: "A revolution always devours its children". When people get high on self righteousness, always looking for someone to destroy, they will eventually become the victim of their own cruelty.

  9. This guy might be a Jew, but I'm pretty sure he read Romans 2, because that's exactly what he is preaching:

    You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance? But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”

    And also James 1:19

    My dear brothers and sisters, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, because human anger does not produce the righteousness that God desires.

  10. However great a journalist you are, you know you're a poor host when you would rather big up yourself than talk with your guest. That tangent on his work with Australia Anti – immigration supporters had little to do with public shaming and much to do with self promotion.

  11. Interesting comments and topic that needs to be discussed, yet sad to see the hypocrisy and the unwillingness for Jon not defend Katie Hopkins and another unpopular person at the end of the video. Katie Hopkins, from what I have read and observed, has been viciously attacked for her less popular progressive or non-leftist views. A vicious attack via shame culture is a vicious attack – no context or explanation desired by those who attack. Civility is never out of fashion, or, at least, it shouldn't be. Attack one's ideas with debate, not personal, destructive attacks, so prevalent in our culture today. Let's end the shaming culture and encourage civil debate. Perhaps Jon should try to emulate Dave Rubin, as Dave gives Katie Hopkins a chance to give context and an explanation for her speech that is labelled as hate speech by some, another example of public shaming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DXQEbEGx9g

  12. To those feeling defensive and rhetorically or sarcastically asking for the point of this talk: You are missing the value of paying attention without reacting. This is not about the right way to think. This is about observations on human behavior and examples of disturbing counterintuitive behavior from the stories being relayed. There is no point to any of this if you don't have empathy or moral imagination. There is no point to any of this if you beleive there is only one right way to interpret what people are saying. This is not an attack. Each of us are individual human beings with flaws and strengths. People are multi dimensional. We have unique differences in our capacity to understand the human condition. Did you not know that or do you seek aproval out of fear of being abused by your internet peers? I usually have questions that I ask myself after listening to a message rather than making a hero or a villian out of the messenger. Do you still not understand or are you willfully misunderstanding out of loyalty to a symbol who would turn on you and eat you alive the second it belives you are wrong? People diserve better than this. You diserve better than this. You will not be rewarded for causing harm. Violence is an attempt to replace shame with self esteem. There are people who love you. Why not destroy them? Because you are absurd and forget what matters when you react with a mob.

  13. Seems like an army of cowards, as I type this I reflect on myself, out there poised to annihilate those that make the mistake of not proofing every single word before they post……..have we become just that, COWARDS?!

  14. just waiting for all the comments wanting to conflate pointing out social justice issues with this propensity to attack people online; it isn't limited to one political position

  15. At 32:18 Jon says he compared Twitter to the Stasi, which put me in mind of Stewart Lee's description of Twitter as "the Stasi for the Angry Birds generation".

  16. Jon, I know it's unlikely that you'll ever read this, but I'd like to say thank you. Your thoughts on internet shaming could not have come at a luckier time for me. This week I narrowly avoided being subjected to the full blast of a social media shaming. Though I dodged the worst of it, it's still left me shaken. Everything you talk about (in this, and other videos) rings true with me. Helping to understand it has been a massive help for me in coping with things. I don't feel hate for the people who hate me, because I understand them better now. Thanks for all your help.

  17. John Safran! I was like, "where do I know that voice from?…" He did that great bit about Mormons knocking at your door. I've been watching that on YouTube for years! So funny…

  18. Jon"s great!..he really makes you think about comments we ALL make, that sometimes we don't realize how things we say have real affects on people.

  19. Jon is a fantastic guy and great film maker and author.. he has spoken candidly about his social anxiety and his body language here screams how uncomfortable he is feeling but it’s brilliant how he battles through

  20. The real problem is that people are reacting to twitter mobs and giving in to them. People get fired from their jobs because of a twitter swarm. You can, as an individual, choose not to take it personally but if your boss fires you anyways its still a big issue. so many venues are being bullied into canceling speakers because they fear the way they'll be attacked if they allow the 'wrong' person to speak, the hoards will come and all their reviews will be full of BS and all their supporters harassed until they give in.

  21. The man who releases the goat as a scapegoat must wash his clothes and bathe himself with water; afterward he may come into the camp.
    Leviticus 16v26

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